- Singapore Arado
- Posted By: Grant Elliott <guzzi@space.net.au>
- Date: Saturday, 15 July 2000, at 9:28 a.m.
- Hello all,
- I lurk your excellent site on a weekly basis to catch up
on kits, walkarounds and enjoy the message boards. I am
reading a book by David Stevens titled 'U-boat far from
home' which relates the voyage of U862 into the Indian
Ocean (my swimming hole) and around Australia & New
Zealand. The most interesting chapters, to me, deal with
port facilities in Singapore and Penang. If you can
locate the book you will be rewarded with a shot of an
Arado 96 on twin floats sporting a suite of sun-discs
with crisp white outlines. Wouldn't that look smart! But
is it a qualifier for j-aircraft? Your thoughts please.
- Guzzi
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- Posted By: James F. Lansdale <LRAJIM@aol.com>
- Date: Tuesday, 18 July 2000, at 5:18 p.m.
- In Response To: Singapore Arado (Grant Elliott)
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- Grant
- You state: "If you can locate the book you will be
rewarded with a shot of an Arado 96 on twin floats
sporting a suite of sun-discs with crisp white
outlines." I have not been able to locate this book.
Would it be possible for you or any of our members to
scan this photo and post it for us all to see? Your
report is absolutely amazing! Thank you for the thread
you started!
- Jim Lansdale
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- Posted By: Peter Starkings <stkngs@globalnet.co.uk>
- Date: Friday, 21 July 2000, at 2:04 a.m.
- In Response To: Re: Singapore Arado (James F. Lansdale)
- Hi All,
- Regarding James' request, I know the photo is the key
item, but for those who want the actual book it is
available from "Pacific Book House" in
Australia, price 24 Australian Dollars plus postage.
Their email address is: mcgrath@pacificbookhouse.com.au
- Peter
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- Posted By: Grant Elliott <guzzi@space.net.au>
- Date: Wednesday, 19 July 2000, at 7:50 p.m.
- In Response To: Re: Singapore Arado (James F. Lansdale)
-
- I have scanned the picture as requested and sent to
info@j-aircraft.com The Arado(s) was known to serve at
Djakarta as late as May 1945, as it was surrendered with
the submarines to the Japanese navy upon Germany's
capitulation. U-181 became I-501 and U-862 became I-502.
The = crews were interned in an open prison and were
supplied by the Indonesian traders with whom the Germans
had been trading. This is fun.
- Guzzi
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- Posted By: Graham Boak
<graham@boak98.freeserve.co.uk>
- Date: Sunday, 23 July 2000, at 10:51 a.m.
- In Response To: Re: Singapore Arado *No Text* (Graham
Boak)
- Sorry - I was trying to say that the latest issue of Jet
and Prop magazine has artwork for an all-blue Ar.196 with
no markings. I didn't have time to attempt a
translation....
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- Posted By: Peter Starkings <
stkngs@globalnet.co.uk>
- Date: Sunday, 16 July 2000, at 4:38 a.m.
- In Response To: Singapore Arado (Grant Elliott)
- Hi Grant!
- Surely this subject must qualify for inclusion on
j-aircraft as it opens up an associated Pacific war
aviation topic on which little seems to have been
written! Possibly the only example of German/Japanese
WWII actual combat co-operation was in respect of U-Boat
operations in the Indian and Pacific oceans. The Germans
established their own facilities at Japanese naval bases
in Penang, Singapore and Surabaya to help maintain these
operations. They also had some support ships in the area
which is thought carried a small number of Arados for
general reconnaissance purposes. The Arados had German
crews, but carried Japanese national markings for obvious
recognition reasons. Can anyone else contribute some
detail to this brief outline? For example: How many
Arados? What colour were they painted? What other
markings did they carry? What liaison was there with the
JNAF?
- Yours, a very interested Peter!
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- Posted By:Tim Hortman <thortman@epix.net>
- Date: Sunday, 16 July 2000, at 7:13 a.m.
- In Response To: Re: Singapore Arado (Peter Starkings)
-
- Hey Gang,
- Does anyone have a photo of one of these? I am very
interested to see what everyone is talking about! I think
that would make for an attractive looking model on the
table of the next show...
- Tim
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- Posted By: Grant Elliott <guzzi@space.net.au>
- Date: Sunday, 16 July 2000, at 7:04 a.m.
- In Response To: Re: Singapore Arado (Peter Starkings)
- Thanks Peter,
- A little further reading on the matter reveals the A/C
was an Arado 196 used for sweeping the access lanes into
the ports you mentioned. New spanner in the works. In Oct
'44sub-borne Bachstelzen, (gyro-glider) was exchanged for
'Reishiki' (?) floatplanes for area reconnaissance. Is
that A/C the Glen? Did the E14Y fly with German pilots?
Wow. Still keen
- Grant
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- Posted By: Greg Springer <gspring@ix.netcom.com>
- Date: Sunday, 16 July 2000, at 9:13 a.m.
- In Response To: Re: Singapore Arado (Grant Elliott)
- Hello Grant,
- Reishiki means 'Zero type'. The Yokosuka E14Y sub-carried
float plane is a Zero type as is the Mitsubishi F1M float
biplane and the Aichi E13A. All were accepted by the IJN
in the same year as the Zero fighter. It must be the E14Y
given the context. Although a small aircraft it was much
bigger than those rotary-wing towed gliders. The Germans
must have constructed some water-tight containers and
mounted them on their larger U-boats. What an interesting
thread you have started!
- Cheers!
- Greg
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- Posted By: Andreas Voigt <a.voigt@odn.de>
- Date: Sunday, 16 July 2000, at 6:58 a.m.
- In Response To: Re: Singapore Arado (Peter Starkings)
- Hello!
- There was short article in a German magazine (Jet &
Prop 2/00) about this topic. There were on the one hand
the Ar 196 flying reconnaissance sorties from German
ships (the so-called "Hilfskreuzer") operating
in this area. The exact number of these aircraft is not
known [as] many ships carried crated aircraft as
replacement. These aircraft were frequently repainted and
carried sometimes no markings at all, Japanese markings
or even French markings. On the other hand there were two
Ar 196 stationed at Penang. The task of these aircraft
was to protect German u-boats while entering the base.
The aircraft were at Penang from March 1944.One of these
aircraft attacked a British sub with bombs on 17.5.44.
According to one of the flyers these Ar 196 were
light-blue overall with no markings. I hope this helps.
- Andreas Voigt
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- Posted By: Peter Starkings <stkngs@globalnet.co.uk>
- Date: Sunday, 16 July 2000, at 11:08 a.m.
- In Response To: Re: Singapore Arado (Andreas Voigt)
-
- Hi All!
- This thread is becoming very intriguing! Greg's theory on
the E14Y might well be correct, but I should think simply
mounting a watertight (and pressure tight!) container for
it on a U-Boat is easier said than done! There is also
the matter of a platform on which to assemble the
aircraft out of its container and a crane to drop it in
the water. I won't even mention a catapult!! I rather
favour the alternative E13A suggestion, perhaps to
supplement the Arados instead of having to waste
extremely valuable cargo/stores/ordnance space
transporting more of them all the way from Europe. And
what about the traded Fa330 Bachstelze? Has anyone come
across a report of the Japanese trying that out (wearing
mini hinomaru of course!)
- The plot thickens! Peter
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- Posted By: Tennessee Katsuta <kinson-garments@on.aibn.com>
- Date: Sunday, 16 July 2000, at 9:09 p.m.
- In Response To: Re: Singapore Arado (Peter Starkings)
-
- Hi, gentlemen.
- This is indeed a very intriguing subject. I recall in a
passage taken from one of IJN veterans' autobiography and
translated by Hiroyuki-san, an Ar 196 used and evaluated
by the Japanese was mentioned. The Japanese were
impressed by the German ingenuity. I'm not as sure, but I
think they also mentioned an E13A used by the Germans.
Can you confirm this, Hiroyuki-san?
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- Tennessee
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- Posted By: Hiroyuki Takeuchi
- Date: Tuesday, 18 July 2000, at 5:04 a.m.
- In Response To: Re: Singapore Arado (Tennessee Katsuta)
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- Tennesee
-
- I have talked to a former Japanese submariner based = in
Penang and have confirmed Ar196s. Seems most likely that
the Zero-Shiki is the Glenn instead of the Jake, though.
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- Posted By: John Acosta <xmdjna@cs.com>
- Date: Monday, 17 July 2000, at 2:26 a.m.
- In Response To: = Re: = Singapore Arado (Tennessee
Katsuta)
-
- This is the link you are looking for.
- Regards,
- John Acosta
- Story of Ar-196
-
- Posted By: Graham Boak
<graham@boak98.freeserve.co.uk>
- Date: Monday, 17 July 2000, at 2:03 a.m.
- In Response To: Re: Singapore Arado (Tennessee Katsuta)
-
- I am sure that I have recently read postings about the
use of a Japanese floatplane by one of the German surface
raiders, and the suggested aircraft was a
"Dave". I haven't been able to find this
posting - perhaps someone else remembers it?
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- Posted By: Tennessee Katsuta <kinson-garments@on.aibn.com>
- Date: Monday, 17 July 2000, at 10:43 a.m.
- In Response To: Re: Singapore Arado (Graham Boak)
Hi, Graham.
- There is a photo of a Dave (the caption says Nakajima 90
float plane, but it looks like a Dave to me) aboard the
German auxiliary cruiser Orion. It has a British roundel
painted on the fuselage (can't see if it's painted on the
wings), and a serial number L 5196 painted behind the
roundel. I'm sorry to say that I don't remember which
book I found this photo in.
-
- Tennessee
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- Posted By: Clint Muse <clint@musec.freeserve.co.uk>
- Date: Monday, 17 July 2000, at 12:27 p.m.
- In Response To: Re: Singapore Arado (Tennessee Katsuta)
- The book is German Raiders-A History of Auxiliary
Cruisers of the German Navy 1895-1945, by Paul
Schmalenbach ISBN 0.85059.3514.
-
- Clint
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