- Recon Aircraft FAQs
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Pearl Harbor Recon Birds
Posted By: Greg Springer <gspring@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Wednesday, 6 September 2000, at
2:12 p.m.
Model Art 378 "Shinjuwan
Kogekitai - Pearl Harbor Attack Unit" Shows two Aichi E13A1 Jakes on page
45. One is labelled 'Recon flight of Lahaina Creek Dec. 8 (7th)- 8th Sentai,
No. 1 ship, cruiser Tone.' Tail code is JI-1. The second is labelled 'Recon
flight of Pearl Harbor Dec. 8 (7th)- 8th Sentai, no, 2 ship, cruiser Chikuma.
Tail code is JII-1. Both are overall gray with black cowlings 'swept back' to
windshield like on Vals. All national markings are with white surrounds, tail
codes in red. I don't know about kit availability in 72nd and cannot verify
the accuracy of this info. If you like I can send you a scan. Finally. as I am
still working on the COCKPIT of the 1/48th Zero I started in March I'll need
all the lead time I can get!
Re: Pearl Harbor Recon Birds
Posted By: Tim Hortman <thortman@epix.net>
Date: Wednesday, 6 September 2000, at
5:56 p.m.
In Response To: Pearl Harbor Recon
Birds (Greg Springer)
THANKS for the info! I guess now we
can include at least the Jake in the mix. (Please do send me a scan of the
photo)
I'll be posting some more stuff either
later tonight or tomorrow on picking kits, etc. Let me know if you would like
to jump in on this display.
Re: Pearl Harbor Recon Birds
Posted By: Greg Springer <gspring@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Wednesday, 6 September 2000, at
6:14 p.m.
In Response To: Re: Pearl Harbor Recon
Birds (Tim Hortman)
I reiterate my offer to do Zero BI-151
from Soryu.
There is an older Hasegawa kit of the
E13A. The folks at King's Hobby also told me the 1/72nd Hasegawa Zero 21 is
currently OOP but the type 11 is identical in the box. I can repost color info
on PH Zero and Kaga Kate artifacts to help project participants.
Re: Pearl Harbor Recon Birds
Posted By: Gary Barling <whitey@nrtco.net>
Date: Wednesday, 6 September 2000, at
7:18 p.m.
In Response To: Re: Pearl Harbor Recon
Birds (Greg Springer)
For what it's worth, I received the
same information some time ago when I was researching a collection of the
types of IJN aircraft used at PH. Essentially, I came up with four: the
standard "Zero/Kate/Val" triumvirate, and the two Jakes that
recce'ed Lahaina and PH itself. I have no information indicating that Petes
were employed. Although the Jakes did not actually "attack" in the
sense of causing physical damage, their reports were vital to the eventual
success of the operation. Accordingly, in my opinion, they should certainly be
included.
The LIST, Glen?
Posted By: Rob Graham <reishikisenguy@aol.com>
Date: Sunday, 10 September 2000, at
8:57 p.m.
In Response To: the LIST, a few
additions. (Mike Connelley, running with scissors)
I recall Alpaslan Ertungealp
volunteered for a Glen as well as a Jake. It seems to not be in the list
anymore. Let us consider this resource:
Glen:
In Japanese Aircraft of the Pacific
War by Rene J. Francillon (©1970 ISBN 0-87021-313-X), Page 453 says:
"Known to the Allies as GLEN, the
E14Y1 made its operational debut on 17 December, 1941, when the submarine I-7
launched its aircraft for a dawn reconnaissance over Pearl Harbor to assess
the damage done by the carriers' bombers. Until 1943, when the increased use
of radar by the Allies made such missions impractical, the E14Y1s were used
for similar reconnaissance sorties over Allied bases in Australia, New
Zealand, Africa, Madagascar, and the Aleutians."
A "new" grey/gray question!
Posted By: ALP <alp_ert@mail.matav.hu>
Date: Tuesday, 10 October 2000, at
1:41 a.m.
As the question is related to two
types I will be building I wouldn't want to start a new debate but I felt it
necessary to know more on grays/greys after the long threads in the last few
weeks.
What type of grey was used on Jakes
and Glens around the time of PH attack?
Both a/c should be overall the same
color if I am not mistaken.
Re: GLEN scheme is a problem
Posted By: David_Aiken <David_Aiken@hotmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, 11 October 2000, at
6:54 a.m.
In Response To: A "new"
grey/gray question! (ALP)
The pre-war scheme seen on the
submarine plane before the GLEN was silver with red tail and white codes. Thus
some artworks suggest this for the GLEN at Pearl Harbor. The later GLENs in
photos are noted in having green camouflage and, for those whose tail markings
are seen, have a blue tail code.
Model Art shows a green over gray
scheme with no tail code, as the markings are really not known.
The GLEN was the SR-71/A-12/U-2 of
1941, thus rarely seen or photographed. The captured info from WWII only
reveals the post-attack missions over Oahu in which the various GLENs
participated.
Re: A grey Glen?
Posted By: Mike Quan <MnkQuan@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Tuesday, 10 October 2000, at
9:27 a.m.
In Response To: A "new"
grey/gray question! (ALP)
The Glen illustrated in Model Art #378
(Pearl Harbor Attackers) is IJN green over gray. Rob, where was that reference
you found to the Glen used at Pearl Harbor?
Re: A grey Glen?
Posted By: Rob Graham <reishikisenguy@aol.com>
Date: Tuesday, 10 October 2000, at
8:34 p.m.
In Response To: Re: A grey Glen? (Mike
Quan)
My reference is (gasp) Francillon's
book. Sure, I know there are some errors in it, but the detailed remarks seem
too certain to disregard.
If you look at the MPM Glen, you'll
see the scheme they're calling, which looks like a silver dope with red tail
surfaces and white markings and a black cowl. Whatever. I think we'd need a
bit better evidence.
Re: A grey Glen?
Posted By: ALP <alp_ert@mail.matav.hu>
Date: Tuesday, 10 October 2000, at
10:50 a.m.
In Response To: Re: A grey Glen? (Mike
Quan)
It wasn't on the Glen at PH. I don't
remember but I saw grey overall Glens and wasn't sure if it could have been
the same case with the PH Glen.
If the MA illustration is correct and
that was the only example then I have the following question?
Which grey was used for the
undersurface color and are there variations of greens to open up a new debate?
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