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Mitsubishi's Ki-20
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- Topics:
- Ki-20
- looking for Ki-20 pic.
- Ki20
(New)
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- Posted By:
Alex Crawford <acrawford@blueyonder.co.uk>
- Date: Saturday,
20 July 2002, at 10:06 a.m.
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- Did any of
the six Ki-20's serve in China or were they just used as transports.
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- Re:
Ki-20
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- Posted By:
Ted Bradstreet <tbstreet@midmaine.com>
- Date:
Thursday, 25 July 2002, at 12:59 p.m.
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- In Response
To: Ki-20 (Alex Crawford)
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- The Ki-20's
were so super-secret that they were never committed to combat and were only
revealed to the Japanese public after they were obsolete. They never flew
either in China or as transports AFAIK, only in test excercises, probably over Karafutu
(Sakhalin).
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- Re:
Ki-20
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- Posted By:
John MacGregor <JohnMacG6@hotmail.com>
- Date:
Sunday, 21 July 2002, at 7:58 a.m.
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- In Response
To: Ki-20 (Alex Crawford)
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- Alex, none
of the Ki20s ever served operationally in China. I'm not sure the even served
as transports. IIRC, they only ever served in an 'experimental'/'test' bomber
squadron.
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- Posted By:
William Knoth <baronred4@cs.com>
- Date:
Monday, 15 July 2002, at 11:55 p.m.
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- Dose anyone
have pic.of the Ki-20 heavy bomber?i know of just 4 or 5 pic. all at a distance
.I am making a 1/72 scale model of the ki-20 .I'm going to paint it in s
comaflage .I know it was not used in battle, and they were all painted overall
light grey-green but it's going to look good with the s scheme.It's a what-if
paint job!
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- Re:
looking for Ki-20 pic.
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- Posted By:
Elephtheriou George <arawasi_g@hotmail.com>
- Date:
Tuesday, 16 July 2002, at 7:58 p.m.
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- In Response
To: looking for Ki-20 pic. (William Knoth)
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- Please go to
the "SEARCH" of this board and look for any messages containing the
key word "Ki-20". You will find some translations regarding this
plane, that I have no idea why they are not saved in the
"translations" section...
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- Re:
looking for Ki-20 pic.
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- Posted By:
William Knoth <baronred4@cs.com>
- Date:
Tuesday, 16 July 2002, at 9:12 p.m.
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- In Response
To: Re: looking for Ki-20 pic. (Elephtheriou George)
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- I have a
book just on the Junkers G-38 (170pg.) it's called Junkers G-38 Das erste
Grossflugzeug der lufthansa By Fred Guschow , it has three pages on the Ki-20
and a six veiw drawing of it.but, it's in german and I need some one to translate
the whole book.
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- Ki-20
references
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- Posted By:
Charles Metz <c-metz@uchicago.edu>
- Date:
Tuesday, 16 July 2002, at 12:45 p.m.
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- In Response
To: looking for Ki-20 pic. (William Knoth)
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- According to
my database, the Ki-20 is shown in the following books:
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- Mikesh and
Abe: 'Japanese Aircraft 1910-1941' (Putnam Aeronautical series [unnumbered];
Naval Institute Press [USA], 1990; 293 pages)
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- Nohara:
'Imperial Japanese Army Warplane [sic]' (Illustrated Warplane History series,
No. 6; Green Arrow [Japan], 1997; in Japanese; 212 pages)
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- Nozawa and
Komuro: 'Encyclopedia of Japanese Aircraft 1900-1945. Vol. 1: Mitsubishi'
(Encyclopedia of Japanese Aircraft series, No. 1; Shuppan-Kyodo Publishers
[Japan], 1966; in Japanese; 211 pages [out of print])
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- Schmitt:
'Hugo Junkers and His Aircraft' (Transpress [Germany], 1988; in English; 224
pages [out of print])
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- Scott:
'Emblems of the Rising Sun: Imperial Japanese Army Air Force Unit Markings' (Hikoki [UK], 1999; 129 pages)
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- Turner and
Nowarra: 'Junkers: An Aircraft Album' (Arco Aircraft Album series, No. 3; Arco
[USA], 1971; 128 pages [out of print])
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'Camouflage & Markings of I.J.A. Bombers' (Model Art Special Issue series,
No. 533; Model Art [Japan], 1999; in Japanese; 178 pages)
Posted By:
Dominique Jadoul <djmodels1999@aol.com>
Date:
Monday, 25 November 2002, at 7:21 a.m.
Would anyone
know where to find info about the Mitsubishi Ki-20 Heavy Bomber (modified
Junkers G38)..? I'm looking for pics and /or drawings showing modifications,
particularly machine gun 'turrets' on trailing edges of wings...
Reposting
of an Early Entry by E. Goerge
Posted By:
Jim Long <jimilong@msn.com>
Date:
Tuesday, 26 November 2002, at 11:07 p.m.
In Response
To: Ki-20 (Dominique Jadoul)
Elephtheriou
George posted some material on the Ki-20 back in the year 2000. Since it didn't
make it to the FAQs board, I kept a copy of it. And I'm reposting it for
George. Okay, George?
Jim Long,
IJA Message Board Moderator
Here is
George's material on the Ki-20:
Ki-20
TRANSLATION
Posted By:
Elephtheriou George
Date:
Wednesday, 13 December 2000, at 1:55 p.m.
Konnichi wa
minnasama,
Translation
from Model Art 533, page 97.
TYPE 92
HEAVY BOMBER (MITSUBISHI Ki-20)
The Type 92
heavy bomber(Ki-20), commonly known as Type 92 super heavy, was the largest
mono-plane in the world those days and was based on the German Junkers G-38
passenger plane, changed to a 4 engined bomber of which 6 were produced. When
it was officialy adopted in 1933, during war, there was a plan, this plane to
equip a special mission unit, called Tatsu or Chuchinoe Chutai (help is needed
from Japanese speakers for the correct reading of the Kanji), so, at the 7
Rentai based at Hamamatsu, personnel was trained e.t.c. Afterwards, the plan
was changed and in the Autumn of 1938, four planes were assigned to the second
Chutai of the seventh Sentai and while major practice was undertaken until
1940, the plane by then was already obsolete.
It was
painted Grey Green overall.
Page 98,
photo
caption:
Same plane
as illustrated, type 92 heavy bomber first plane. Wing span: 44m, Full Length:
23m, Fully Equiped Weight: 25t. Although, the huge body was it's best part,
lack of engine power, bad condition, low performance together with long needed
time for testing and manufacturing, made this plane obsolete.
Design 1:
Ki-20 7 Rentai, from 1933 until about 1935 Shizuoka prefecture/ Hamamatsu.
Developed
using the German Jungers G-38 as a model, the type 92 heavy bomber was Army's
first four engined heavy bomber, but lack of performance repeated in test
flight, finished it. Being temporarily deployed to the 7 Rentai, ofcourse it
didn't carry any tail marking e.t.c. Overall Grey Green and since it was the
first design, it carries the number "1" (in red or black) behind the
Hinomaru of the fuselage. Although 6 planes were produced, only this first
plane carried the number in the fuselage.
From
Military Aircraft No.44, 1999/5, page 85:
(there is a
photo of the G.38 and a photo of the first Ki-20)
Caption of
the G.38 photo:
Kept as top
secret, the Mitsubishi Heavy industries produced a licenced super heavy bomber
based on the G.38. Ofcourse, Junkers had the technical leadership...
Caption of
the Ki-20 photo:
A Mitsubishi
Ki-20 with Hinomaru.(!?!?!?!) Junkers made a bomber version of the G.38, named
K51, for the Japanese and 7 planes were produced of this type.
Much more
are included in the "Japanese Aircraft 1910-1941" Putnam by Mikesh
& Abe, page 182.
Hope you
find the above interesting. Any corrections to the translation and additions to
the history of this plane are highly wellcomed. Maybe one day we will see a kit
in 1/48 and then wonder where to put it.....
Re:
Ki-20
Posted By:
JP4 <JAP102984@aol.com>
Date:
Monday, 25 November 2002, at 10:18 p.m.
In Response
To: Ki-20 (Dominique Jadoul)
Is the
Junkers G38 the same as the Junkers K-51? My references maintain that the
Mitsubishi Army Type 92 Heavy Bomber Ki-20 was a license built version of the
Junkers K-51. If your reference aircraft is wrong (i.e., the G38), then perhaps
checking into the K-51 might get you some information about license-built
varieties, which in this case, would include the Ki-20.
It's kind of
thin, but it might help.
Re:
Ki-20
Posted By:
Dominique Jadoul
Date:
Wednesday, 27 November 2002, at 2:20 p.m.
In Response
To: Re: Ki-20 (JP4)
As far as I
know, the K-51 was the military/export designation of the Junkers G38.
Ki-20
detail
Posted By:
Charles Metz <c-metz@uchicago.edu>
Date:
Monday, 25 November 2002, at 2:56 p.m.
In Response
To: Ki-20 (Dominique Jadoul)
The only
books containing Ki-20 detail that I could find in my library are:
Nohara:
'Imperial Japanese Army Warplane [sic]' (Illustrated Warplane History series,
No. 6; Green Arrow [Japan], 1997; in Japanese; 212 pages; US$35) -- cockpit
detail (p. 43), ), cutaway drawing (p. 43), engine (p. 43), marking profile (p.
0a)
and:
Nohara: 'The
Xplanes of Imperial Japanese Army & Navy 1924-45' (Illustrated Warplane
History series, No. 8; Green Arrow [Japan], 2000; in Japanese; 309 pages;
US$37) -- multi-view drawings (p. 29).
Re:
Ki-20 detail
Posted By:
Dominique Jadoul
Date:
Wednesday, 27 November 2002, at 2:18 p.m.
In Response
To: Ki-20 detail (Charles Metz)
Thanks for
this info. Would you by any chance have the ISBN of those two books handy? It
might help me locate them.
A
source for those books
Posted By:
Charles Metz <c-metz@uchicago.edu>
Date:
Wednesday, 27 November 2002, at 4:44 p.m.
In Response
To: Re: Ki-20 detail (Dominique Jadoul)
I don't have
the ISBNs handy. However, both books can be ordered from Hobbylink Japan, who
list them at:
http://www.hlj.com/cgi-local/hljpage.cgi?GRA40
and:
http://www.hlj.com/cgi-local/hljpage.cgi?GRA47
respectively.
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